Center Your Humanity, Lead With Kindness with Nathan Ryan
In this episode of Good Enough for Now, serial entrepreneur, business, and community leader Nathan Ryan talks to us about the importance of authentic culture at work, in his community and how his values steer his inner compass.
Nathan is the CEO of Blue Sky Partners, an Austin-based national consulting firm. Tune in to hear Nathan talk candidly about how he centers humanity in his work, his mental health, and how he’s radically redefined what success and leadership mean to him.
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three reasons why you should listen to this episode:
Learn how to calibrate kindness into culture in the workplace
Hear tips on how to build healthy, lasting business partnerships with friends
Deconstruct the stigma against men speaking out about mental health
Highlights
We catch up with Nathan in Austin, where he lives with his wife and dogs. Along with being the CEO of Blue Sky Partners, he is the chair of City of Austin’s Economic Prosperity Commission and serves on local nonprofit boards. Additionally, he co-founded GoodPolitics, an organization focused on making the democratic process more approachable.
Blue Sky Partners started in 2017 over a weekly meeting over pancakes with his two friends Matt and Tim. All three friends were in between full-time jobs and freelancing when they noticed massive misalignments in the industries they were working between.
We were working with a lot of startups, we were working with a lot of founders and executives and we just noticed this massive disconnect between the way they wanted to talk about their company, the way they wanted to talk about their product or their culture or their values and the way they actually did things.
At the heart of the healthy business partnership between the three friends is a foundation of honesty and an alignment of values.
We all have very different skill sets, but we are really aligned on our values and we're also extremely transparent with one another...It's always been very focused on learning and learning together and learning as individuals. It's always been focused on being direct but being really kind.
As he’s moved through his career, Nathan has grounded his energy with his love and appreciation for people and humanity which extends into how he observes his community.
I mean it really is just that I think people are awesome and I wish life could be a little bit easier for them. I just feel like, especially in the states sometimes, why are we intentionally making things so hard and adding so many hurdles? So a lot of the stuff I'm involved in, it really does center on, hey, you should enjoy yourself while you're here…
It really does boil down to this, I think people are awesome and things should suck less. People should have more fun. That's really it.
Earlier in his career, Nathan saw leadership positions as synonymous with success. Now, he doesn’t look to his title to source his success. Instead of focusing on the individual act of leading, he focuses on being a good partner to the people he has made commitments to.
I told the founder…if I'm joining, you should just know I wanna be CEO.
And one of the biggest things that I think has changed is just that I've realized that it's my job to be a good partner and a good friend. It's not my job to be the leader of the household. None of the leadership positions that I'm in, do I feel like I am owed. I don't feel any entitlement to them whatsoever. And I do think that that's a big difference from me.
During the pandemic, Twitter dubbed Nathan as Austin's Ted Lasso--a comparison he welcomes and appreciates. Though it might be difficult, leaning into the heavier feelings that appear on the flip side of the happy-go-lucky coin can also be freeing.
One of my favorite things about this is that Ted Lasso is this super happy-go-lucky person, but he is in it. I mean, yeah, because he's such an empathetic person. He goes through some really dark stuff and to me it was really important for that to be a part of that kind of a story because I think if you are in a healthy place and you are the kind of happy-go-lucky person who's out there encouraging people all the time, if you don't have the flip side of that coin, I think it could be dangerous if you don't let yourself experience it when it comes around. I think a lot of people are super outgoing, super positive, and super optimistic. I think most of us go through those sort of really dark periods, but I don't know how many of us let ourselves actually experience it and go into that as deeply as you go into the other stuff.
To help him navigate his mental health, Nathan leans on a reliable network of support from friends and family.
There are probably four or five people that I'm talking with constantly and I'm pretty open about things and I like getting different opinions. So I'll have the same conversation with four or five people over a week to get a bunch of different perspectives on something.
What Good Enough For Now means to nathan:
When I think about good enough for now, I think it takes a certain amount of grace for yourself to say, this is me, this is where I'm at. And anything that I want to change about myself, I have the power to do that in this moment, this one. And I think acknowledging you've got the power to change things allows you to accept where you're at in a little bit more of a healthy way.
ABOUT
Nathan Ryan is a serial entrepreneur, business and community leader. He is the CEO of Austin-based consulting firm Blue Sky Partners, and co-founder of GoodPolitics. He serves on the board of directors at the LBJ Presidential Library’s Future Forum and the Austin Monitor; he has been appointed by Austin City Council to the Economic Prosperity Commission and the Urban Transportation Commission. Nathan lives in Austin, Texas, with his wife, Amanda, and dogs, Max and Rory.
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Harper (00:04):
We had such a great conversation with Nate Ryan who I met several years ago through business and I've always just been so inspired by the work that he does and he's such a community builder. He does such an amazing job at bringing people together and making people feel connected through business, through politics, through local activism. And I've just always been inspired by the work that he does.
Stephanie (01:12):
Yeah, he's our first guy. Yay Nate, shout out <laugh>. This is not a gender exclusive podcast. So one of the things I really enjoyed talking to him too, and I was reminded of last night, was just that connection and humanity that it brings out in people. I was at an event last night that was celebrating some authors who had been selected for an award and in the crowd were a bunch of business people. They'd all been at work all day, we were in person, but they were exuberant. Being able to talk to each other about books, about art, about culture, it was palpable. And I think that what Nate is building with his company, the intentional way that he talks about culture and the humanity of culture in the workplace is so overdue for all of us. So I hope you guys enjoy this one.
Harper (02:06):
Let's get into it.
Stephanie (02:08):
Nathan Ryan is a serial entrepreneur, business and community leader. He is the CEO of Austin based national consulting firm, Blue Sky Partners. He serves as the chair of the board at the LBJ Presidential Library's future for and chair of the board at the Austin Monitor. He's been appointed by the Austin City Council to the Economic Prosperity Commission and the Urban Transportation Commission. Nathan lives in Austin, Texas with his wife Amanda and Max and worry.
Harper (02:37):
Welcome Nathan. We're so happy to have you here today.
Nathan (02:41):
I'm super excited to be here.
Stephanie (02:43):
You're our first male guest.
Nathan (02:46):
Wow, that's an honor <laugh> and I'm glad that the inverse is here. Keep it up.
Stephanie (02:53):
<laugh>,
Nathan (02:55):
We get the mic too often. So
Stephanie (02:57):
Rigorous qualification standards applied. So just saying
Nathan (03:01):
It means even
Harper (03:02):
More. So tell us where are you in your life right now?
Nathan (03:07):
We were talking right before we hit record and things are just bananas over here and I feel like it is definitely seasonal like it is for a lot of people. But basically the summer I live here in Austin, Texas and things start ramping up in Austin when South by comes around and then they basically stay ridiculously busy until ACL Austin City Limits Festival or in the case of a year like this one after an election. And so as y'all know, I run Blue Sky Partners. We're a consulting firm based here. We are growing quite a bit right now. This has been a ridiculous growth year for us. And then I'm the chair of an economic development commission pointed by city council here in town and then chair a couple of nonprofit boards as well. A lot of these focused on Get Out the Vote and Small D Democratic democracy related efforts. And so this year's a big election in the state of Texas and no sleep till November 9th I guess <laugh>. So all of those things compound and I just am eye of the storm right now it feels like.
Stephanie (04:12):
But it sounds like so much positive momentum, at least behind your busy work.
Nathan (04:19):
Work. That is true in general. If I think about why I'm busy, I feel good about it.
Harper (04:25):
You've also majorly reminded me that I need to get back to Austin cause I did five years of South by Southwest, two years of acls and I've only been to for festivals. So it's time for me to either attend either of those things or just come and visit because that is the best city. I love that place so much.
Nathan (04:43):
It's an incredible city. I feel really lucky to be here every day. And yeah, I would highly recommend you come back when it's not a festival or come for the festival but then stay an extra week or something. It's just a magical town. Also, if you time it around the festivals, that's when the weather's good.
Harper (05:01):
Done. Sold. You got me. Stay tuned. Next year acl,
Nathan (05:05):
We'll do the part two to this at ACL Live. Yeah,
Harper (05:53):
So have created several business and you mentioned Blue Sky. Can you talk to us a little bit about what led you to start the current business Blue Sky and when you have known what was the right opportunity and when you should walk away?
Nathan (06:08):
Yes. So Blue Sky started in 2017 and it started over pancakes with my friends Matt and Tim. Tim was the COO where I was COO at an agency before this and Tim and I stepped down within a month or two of one another. And a lot of it was we're doing this marketing work. I've been in marketing my entire career. My background, I was a packaging designer at Disney. I worked in advertising and film and television for about a year or two and then did a freelance thing before I was a founding member of this agency that my friends started in 2011. So from 2011 to 2017 I kind of went from designer to project manager to director of ops to COO to ceo, and was CEO for the last three ish years. And Tim and I have known one another for a very long time where you can spend an entire podcast about me and Tim having worked together forever.
(07:16):
But Tim and I think had just started having discussions about in the marketing space you're working with a lot of companies. We were working with a lot of startups, we're working with a lot of founders or executives and we just noticed this massive disconnect between the way they wanted to talk about their company, the way they wanted to talk about their product or their culture or their values and then the way they actually did things. But if you're the marketing agency, it's not your job to be like, Hey, you're saying that you know value people and you treat our project managers dirt, you know, don't treat them well at all. So it's not our job to do that. It's our job to grit our teeth and get the job done.
(07:54):
And I think we decided to step down because we felt like we couldn't handle that kind of disconnect between the way companies talked about what they did or their product or their culture and what it actually was. And so we kind of just got disillusioned with marketing and advertising I guess. So we stepped down mid 2017. I took about six months off. Our friend Matt had been the executive director for a local chamber called the Austin Young Chamber, focused on folks under 40 that had started or were running or were involved in companies in leadership positions. And he had been with them for a while, 3, 4, 5 years as well. So we all stepped down around the same time because we didn't have a real jobs, we were all taking on consulting contracts as individuals. We started meeting once a week for pancakes at this little diner in East Austin.
(08:48):
And it was kind of just a way to keep ourselves accountable, Okay, we're gonna get up, we're gonna meet one another at seven 30 in the morning on a Wednesday and we're gonna talk about what we're learning. And we noticed a lot of echoes in the work that we were doing separately, we noticed a lot of opportunities where we'd be like, Oh Matt, I'd love for you to help with this. Oh Tim, I'd love for you to help with that. And then we were like, it is gonna be a bitch to have to invoice one another back and forth this should we just LLC this thing and see what happens <laugh>. And I think honestly when we started it, a little bit of it was we don't want a gap on our resume. We're all gonna be applying for things, but we don't want a gap on our resume that's longer than five months.
(09:28):
Maybe we'll start this thing, we'll launch a brand. We all had pretty good connections at that point. So we'll get some press, all that stuff, we'll apply for some awards or whatever recognition and then we'll all get hired and go work somewhere else. But that's not how it worked. Cuz within a year and a half, our model really focused on creating alignment between values and vision and mission and the way your company operates and then your leadership as well. And so that's where it started and it's just been really fulfilling work ever since. It's changed a lot, but it's been really fulfilling.
Stephanie (10:04):
Talking about your own trajectory where you started as I believe you said you were a designer and then you ended up working into a leadership position <affirmative> over the course of your career. How did you figure out your skillset in that trajectory and use that today?
Nathan (10:24):
I think my sort of natural state is relationship management connector, like people person <affirmative>. And being a designer was very hard for me because I had to just focus <laugh>. I couldn't be talking to people all day. I needed to focus for four hours at a time. But even at the companies that I worked with, I was always kind of a close confidant for VP and senior level leaders. And so my shoe into those industries was learning the skills, but that's never where I wanted to stay. And so when I joined the agency in 2011, at that point the company was probably four or five people. And I told the founder, I was like, if I'm joining, you should just know I wanna be ceo. Like that's what I want to do. Wow. I wanna learn what I need to learn about this business to run it at some point. And so probably within six months I was in a project manager position instead of in a designer position. And then from there it just kind of snowballed because I'm the person who can't say no to anything. And if there's a, well, I can say no to a lot of things, but things I want are things that I think are good. I have a hard time saying no. And when it started being offered to me to move into more and more management positions, I took it every time.
Harper (11:53):
Your people Personness is such confirmation of why we connected years ago of just everything you're saying. I'm going, are you talking about me too? Absolutely. When I was in my early twenties people, to me the same that you spoke about it and I think it feels obvious to me and natural to me, but as I get older how much that is not natural to so many people and they DT know how to put themselves out there and say, my goal is to be ceo. That's so daunting to some people and for people like us sort of like, well this is what I and why, Let's get bottom line here. One of the things I'm really interested in, especially in Stephanie and I launching this podcast and having a partnership for the first time is learning about the dynamic of you and how has that shifted over the years in the business? And then where do you draw the line between business and friendship?
Nathan (12:50):
I've been around some partnerships in my time, whether I've been in them myself or I've just seen them and like I mentioned, we're hiring currently for our first director position and a lot of the questions that are being asked are this right? Where people that may be taking this role are looking at this as a first senior position and thinking like three founders, what's your dynamic? Because it can be a real problem. And I can say thankfully that we have just an incredibly healthy partnership. We all have very different skill sets, but we are really aligned on our values and we're also extremely transparent with one another. I mean if something personal is going on, we have at Blue Sky from day one have what we call a no questions asked mental health policy, that's for everybody. But a lot of that came out of the fact that as founders, we know how stressful it can be to be running a company, starting a thing, trying to grow a thing and we know how stressful life can just be.
(13:52):
And so with the three of us from the get go, were always very transparent about things that were happening personally and would support one another wherever we needed to. And so our relationship has always been very supportive. It's always been very focused on learning and learning together and learning as individuals. It's always been focused on being direct but being really kind. And our newest hire as of a few months ago, her name's Hannah, she joined in a junior consultant role and she was on some of these first interviews with me for this new position and people were asking about the culture. She said, and it was really great to hear her answer this having only been around for four or five months. And her response when somebody asked about the culture was really high standards but really full of grace. And I just loved that. And so to answer the question about how it's evolving, it just continues to evolve in that direction. It started there and it continues to evolve in that way.
Stephanie (14:56):
And it seems that you not only have built the culture with your partners inside of Blue Sky Partners, but you're also involved externally in the community <affirmative> in Austin, as you mentioned when you were talking about some of your overwhelmness <laugh> earlier as well, which by the way, I was just laughing when you were talking about that because I had noticed El Arroyo had posted which El Arroyo is a restaurant in Austin and has pithy statements always on their marque. And
Nathan (15:25):
I'm sure everybody is familiar with those signs now.
Stephanie (15:28):
Yes, the
Nathan (15:28):
El Laro sign is legendary at this point.
Stephanie (15:31):
One of their recent ones said, Why is no one ever the right amount of whelmed.
Nathan (15:36):
<laugh> either overwhelmed, underwhelmed, never just whelmed.
Stephanie (15:41):
So at the risk overwhelming yourself, you have branched outside of just your work, which I'm sure was very consuming timewise to be involved in the community. Can you talk a little bit about how that has maybe shaped your perspective on either your work or your personal life?
Nathan (15:59):
So in the last few years I've been involved in a bunch of stuff. I mean I started getting involved in the civic space. I was president of this Citywide Neighborhood Association and then started throwing what my friend Liz and I called political parties for candidates that we knew personally. And we did one with our current mayor of Austin's name Steve Adler. We did one with his team in 2018 when he was running for reelection. It was a Tuesday night. Liz and I had 225 people show up to this thing and they ran the email addresses that they got voluntarily with the voter access network and with local democratic party clubs and stuff like that. And they were like 70% of this room has never registered to vote, has never been involved. You gotta do something with this. And so at that point we started an event series called Good Politics and it was literally just, we called them Farmers Markets for democracy.
(16:58):
It was like we had one two weeks ago, it was our first one since 2020 had about 500 people show up. But there's 40 candidates in the room, 40 campaigns from school board up to governor that are in the room. And it's really just like, hey, look for somebody with an official looking plaque and just go up and talk to them and ask 'em why they're running and what they're running for and just don't overthink it. Ask 'em where they get their favorite taco in town, whatever you wanna just talk to them. And so that was where a lot of this started.
Stephanie (17:30):
Can you help us understand what drives you to do this work?
Nathan (17:35):
I mean it really is just that I think people are awesome and I wish life could be a little bit easier for them. I just feel like, especially in the states sometimes, why are we intentionally making things so hard and adding so many hurdles? So a lot of our stuff and the stuff I'm involved in, it really does center on, hey, you should enjoy yourself while you're here. If you come to my commission and I'm chairing it, we're gonna have a good time. If you're on a board with me and I'm chairing it, it's gonna be a funny meeting or we're gonna laugh our way through things. It really does boil down to, I think people are awesome and things should suck less <laugh> people should have more fun. That's really it.
Stephanie (18:17):
<laugh> the next el arroyo marque right here. Things should suck less.
(18:24):
what's interesting, you talk this way of party vibes and fun and people are awesome. You've referred to yourself as an extrovert, an eternal optimist, a happy go lucky kinda guy, which I love and appreciate about you of course. But you've also experienced bouts of depression, <affirmative>, So I'm interested in hearing a little bit about those periods in your life, how you navigated them and why as a white male in Texas that's important for you to talk about.
Nathan (18:56):
Yeah, so I grew up in a very evangelical household going to evangelical men's conferences and I heard a lot about the feminization of the American male and all this bullshit. And my wife and I got married very young. I was 22, it was just three days after she turned 21. She wanted to make sure she could drink on our honeymoon <laugh>. So we waited until after she had turned 21
Stephanie (19:24):
Goals.
Nathan (19:25):
<laugh>, right? We're still married,
Stephanie (19:28):
Congratulations.
Nathan (19:29):
Married 13 years in March if she'll keep me. But we're very different people. And one of the biggest things that I think has changed is just that I've realized that it's my job to be a good partner and a good friend. It's not my job to be the leader of the household, none of the leadership positions that I'm in, do I feel like I am owed? I don't feel any entitlement to them whatsoever. And I do think that that's a big difference from me. Even if you go back to me saying I wanna be CEO of this company. I think some of that at that point was probably driven by this, just need to be in the leadership position otherwise I didn't feel like I was contributing in the right way or wasn't manly enough or something like that. I don't know <affirmative>. But to go to your question about the depression, it comes and goes for me.
(20:23):
And there are times where a lot of this work that I do, even though I wanna have a lot of fun with it and all of that, I mean I do have people that are going through really, really rough stuff that need to talk through it. And one thing that I did learn and saw my dad model really well growing up was that he was the kind of guy who would sit down with people and cry with them. And he was the kind of guy who would wake up at three in the morning. He's a pastor and so it was kind of his job, but he also really just was that way as an individual. He'd wake up at three in the morning and he'd go be with the family in the hospital <affirmative>. He'd do that frequently. And I think I get that from him and I'm grateful for that quality and it means that once or twice a year, all of the heaviness of everything and all of the stuff that I've been dealing with that I've been pushing down cuz I don't have time to deal with my own stuff and I need therapy for that.
(21:19):
But those things all hit at once. I feel like I'm carrying a bunch of people's grief and in my own and it will just hit all at once. And during Covid, actually Twitter dubbed me Austin's Ted lasso and one of my favorite things about this is that Ted Lasso is this super happy go lucky person, but he is in it. I mean, yeah, because he's such a feeling sort of person, an empathetic person. He goes through some really dark stuff and to me it was really important for that to be a part of that kind of a story because I think if you are in a healthy place and you are the kind of happy go lucky person who's out there encouraging people all the time, if you don't have the flip side of that coin, I think it could be dangerous if you don't let yourself experience it when it comes around. I think a lot of people who are super outgoing, super positive, super optimistic. I think most of us go through those sort of really dark periods, but I don't know how many of us let ourselves actually experience it <affirmative> and go into that as deeply as you go into the other stuff.
Harper (22:36):
I also think that people often tend to bury it when they're those types of people, myself included, let it just marinate for a really long time until it explodes outta you. I was listening to Susan Kane today on Brene Brown's podcast, <affirmative>, she flip the pain part of the road and I was like, wow, there's something to that. It's not just this little blip, it's something. It's part of the picture, It's part full story.
Nathan (23:05):
Absolutely.
Stephanie (23:07):
Harper, I love that quote that you just mentioned. I'm gonna look that up and listen to that episode too because I do think there is something about fully experiencing life that means that it is the highs and lows. We're not just performing. Some people might be, but you certainly don't sound like you are. So if you're taking it all in at some point you do have to process it. So I imagine there's also resources or tools or habits, intentions, whatever they might be that you use to help you in those times. <affirmative>, can you talk a little bit about that?
Nathan (23:42):
Yeah, I am really grateful to have many, many friends but also a very small group of people that I really, really trust. There are probably four or five people that I'm talking with constantly and I'm pretty open about things and I like getting different opinions. So I'll have the same conversation with four or five different people over the course of a week to get a bunch of different perspectives on something. I have no problem talking to these friends about the deepest of things. So that helps a lot. I also generally have a morning and nighttime sort of routine that helps me. I work out consistently mostly so that I can eat whatever I want, but also because it's good for my brain. I think I exercise mostly for mental health the last five, six years. Having that as part of my routine is hugely helpful.
(24:47):
And recently I've decided that it's time for me to rethink my relationship with alcohol. So I'm giving that up at least for a year and it helps to have a wife that is super supportive and that is a friend. And I guess the last thing I'll point out is, well I got two things, travel a lot and when I travel I'm just a sponge so I just want to experience as many things as I can. I never have a plan. I like to just kind of wander and amble around and that's always kind of fulfilling for me cuz I don't know anybody and I can just go, people watch and I can learn things and I don't feel like anybody expects anything from me. And then the last thing is I don't meditate, but reading to me is meditating and it's kind of a barometer for me as far as how healthy my brain is.
(25:40):
How long can I go reading a book without checking my phone or how long can I go reading a book without needing to get up and do anything else. And so right now, not healthy guys, just not healthy at all. <laugh> I can go five minutes, maybe three, four pages maybe. Things are so busy right now that I'm rereading the same paragraph. I know that that means that the end of this year after this election is over, I'm gonna have to chill a little bit cause I need to get back to stasis. But those are the things that I think help regulate all of those things. For me,
Stephanie (26:16):
What I liked about your list and as you talked through the things you notice or what your rethinking your relationship with, whether it be reading or alcohol or exercise, is that the self-awareness with which you bring to that I think is what was remarkable to me. And many of us can just get dragged along by our to-do list. And you can go years being sort of asleep while busying yourself. You're running a business on your own, you have a relationship, you have a marriage, you have two dogs, you're involved in your community. I mean, there could be a lot of people whose life looks like your life that can just be going through those emotions and looking successful while they're doing it
Nathan (27:05):
Well. And I wish it were easier to come to some of these conclusions
Stephanie (27:09):
<laugh>,
Nathan (27:10):
I wish it didn't take multiple hangovers over the course of two or three months for me to get to the point where I feel like I've, or being too busy and coping with alcohol for multiple months, for me to get to the point where I feel like, you know what? I don't think it's not an alcoholic, but I need to reset my relationship with this thing <affirmative>. And it takes a while to get to the point where you can accept those things sometimes. And it takes a while to get to the point where you can say like, Oh no, yes, I'm doing well, but I'm doing some of these things in excess in a way that is gonna keep me from getting to that next level. Yeah, I mean I think that's just a struggle everybody's got
Stephanie (27:51):
Well said, absolutely
Harper (27:54):
Amazing. So much good stuff in there and so many lessons to be learned,
Nathan (27:58):
Still learning them <laugh>
Stephanie (28:00):
Always right. Well
Harper (28:01):
And I'm learning, I'm sure as well.
Nathan (28:03):
Yeah. Yeah.
Harper (28:05):
So we like to end on this last question. When you hear the phrase good enough for now, what does that evoke for you?
Nathan (28:14):
I just had my computer on YouTube and had it kind of cycling through live music yesterday. And there's this artist from Los Angeles named David Ryan Harris. And he was playing at this little club in LA called Hotel Cafe, which I will only identify because my friend Gia runs it and it's really awesome. And if you're ever in LA and you're listening to this podcast, you should go. It's always great. Anyway, David Ryan Harris is introducing this song and he said, you know, don't have to wait for a big date to make a change of some kind. It's like, oh well I wanna make this change but it's not my birthday or it's not new or whatever. And when I think about good enough for now, I think it takes a certain amount of grace for yourself to say, this is me, this is where I'm at. And anything that I want to change about myself, I have the power to do that in this moment, this one <affirmative>. And I think acknowledging you've got the power to change things allows you to accept where you're at in a little bit more of a healthy way. And so that's what that evokes for me.
Harper (29:31):
Love it. So good. And it goes back to Grace, which is what you were identified as your employee saying to New hire. So you are a full circle person here.
Nathan (29:42):
Guess so,
Stephanie (29:44):
But not done, Not fully formed. We're still learning. Let's declare
Harper (29:50):
Point. So Nate, where can people find you and learn more about Blue Sky Partners and the work that you guys do?
Nathan (29:56):
So you can find me personally on any platform with the username. Nathan Ryan with no a, so n t h n r y N on everything. Well, I shouldn't say everything cuz the kids have new platforms and I am not on those <laugh>, but Twitter and Instagram, like the millennial things. And then you can find Blue Sky partners@blueskypartners.co.com and then we're on every platform as well. They're all linked on the website.
Harper (30:27):
Perfect. And we'll be sure to include those in the notes. Thanks. Thank
Stephanie (30:32):
You so much.
Nathan (30:33):
Thank you so much for having me.
Stephanie (30:40):
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Harper (30:48):
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Stephanie (30:53):
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Speaker 2 (30:56):
See you next week.
