Being the Mother of All Titles with Neha Ruch
In this episode of Good Enough for Now, Neha Ruch discusses choosing the gray area between motherhood and work, the push to redefine success as a parent and a modern take on ambition.
Neha shares about her decision to stay home with her young children and how her career pause led her to define her own values and reframe her goals. She also shares how to answer the question, “What do you do?” and how her community, Mother Untitled, was born. Our conversation is one that we all needed in our 20s and now can help us feel less alone in our 30s and beyond, especially as we redefine what success in life and motherhood can look like for each other while we wait for our culture to catch up.
Listen in to hear more about doing what brings you joy, evaluating what’s right for you right now, and staying connected and evolving your professional identity with intention, even as you choose to stay at home to parent for breaks in between.
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what we cover in this episode:
Exploring the challenges of focusing on both motherhood and career through planting seeds and embracing the possibilities that redefine purpose.
Addressing societal narratives on stay-at-home mothers and learning to articulate and be confident in your identity and story.
Reframing ambition for women who have paused their careers to focus on personal and family goals.
Identifying ways to stay connected to a career or professional identity even while empowering your choice to care for children at home.
Choosing to shift focus and give yourself agency to create rhythms and routines that serve both self and family.
Embracing the present and accepting and trusting yourself as a parent working in or out of the home.
Resources
Follow Mother Untitled on Instagram
Connect with Neha Ruch on LinkedIn
What Good Enough For Now Means To Neha Ruch
Embracing what's for right now, accepting what's not for right now, and trusting that it's a long game. And I think as parents, that can mean whether you choose to work out of the home or in the home. There are seasons that are thoughtful pauses, and there are seasons that are interval sprints that call us to be more or less present for our work, for our families, for our health. And we are choosing at any time, what to focus on, what to let go of, and knowing that there is more time to constantly reevaluate and recalibrate.
ABOUT Neha Ruch
Neha Ruch is on a mission to update the perception of stay-at-home motherhood in America, infusing it with ambition, dignity, growth, and potential. She established her groundbreaking independent media brand, Mother Untitled, in 2017, in the early days of her motherhood journey. Since 2017, Mother Untitled has served as a digital oasis for ambitious women determined to grow, learn, and enjoy themselves during their chapter as the primary parent. Neha is a thought leader, sought-after speaker in the world of women, work, parenting, and identity and the author of a forthcoming book, The Power Pause, with Putnam, an imprint of Penguin Random House.
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Stephanie Kruse 0:05
Welcome to Good Enough For Now, a podcast aimed at dismantling perfectionism one conversation at a time. I'm Stephanie Kruse and along with my guests on the show, we share stories of false starts unexpected you turns in moments of reinvention that happen as we move through life. Thanks for joining me. My hope is that our conversations will help you stay grounded, feel a little less alone, and a little bit more together.
Stephanie Kruse 0:36
Welcome to the next episode, I could not be more excited than to share this conversation with you that I had with Neha Ruch. I will introduce her in a second. But first I want to say this recording is coming out right before Mother's Day. And if you have a mother to celebrate, if you are a mother to celebrate or not, I think one of the things that this conversation really brought up for me was that we all wear many identities in our lives, and being comfortable with where we're at, and blending what we want what we need and our competence. To be that person for the moment is what the key is, I think, perhaps, to unlocking some happiness in life. Brittnay Jai and I talk a lot about confidence and putting language to what it means to take different paths in your career life in your family life, and the roles in your life over time. It's a long game, as she puts it. Let me tell you about Neha.
Stephanie Kruse 1:40
Neha Ruch is on a mission to update the perception of stay at home motherhood in America, infusing it with ambition, dignity, growth and potential. She established her groundbreaking independent media brand mother untitled in 2017 in the early days of her motherhood journey, since that time, Mother untitled has served as a global oasis for ambitious women, determined to grow, learn and enjoy themselves during their chapter as the primary parent. Neha is a thought leader, sought after speaker in the world of women work parenting and identity, and the author of a forthcoming book, The Power Paws with Putnam, an imprint of Penguin, Random House. So I'm so glad that you're on today. And, and I'm so excited for you in this journey of your work. And so let's talk about it. One of the things that I always ask guests, just so that listeners can get a sense for who you are, is to tell me where you are in your life right now.
Neha Ruch 2:45
I am trying very hard to bring with me a lot of the peace and confidence I found in my career pause for family life, now into the transition back into more work out of the home, which is a very interesting place to be in a new season.
Stephanie Kruse 3:05
Yeah. And so you have launched mother untitled. Tell me about how that came to be how you ideated it and brought it to life. And what that was, like, for you pausing, and now into this transition?
Neha Ruch 3:21
So you know, I've been planting the seeds for it for a long time, which is what I would always tell women who are trying to hold on to professional or personal pursue alongside caregiving, that a lot of it is embracing what's possible for right now and really believing that your pace doesn't outweigh your purpose, right. So I had my son in 2016, New Year's Day. And I just found so much we mentioned this before, but besides that, you know, I'm not gonna say it was rosey. And you know, I didn't have all the normal sleep deprivation and challenges with breastfeeding and all the things. But I think a lot of the desire to just be and be comfortable in my own skin, I found in early motherhood and I said, I want more of this.
Neha Ruch 4:13
So I downshift in initially, my work and brand into two days a week for the company I was working for and the rest of the week I spent at home and I was meeting all these incredible women by nature, maybe of where I was living who were somewhat in what I call the gray area to sort of this vast in between of, quote unquote stay at home and quote, quote unquote, working mother. And none of them looked like the June Cleaver archetype, right? They were all ambitious. They clocked in, you know, 10 years of a career. They were creative and interesting and engaged in parenting. And I mean, while I was hearing all of this pushback and stigma about my choice, right, I was listening to people saying like, Are you sure you're fulfilled at home like Aren't you bored? Or, you know, the classic? Like, what are you doing all day. And these things just felt so at odds with each other. And I was looking around, and this was the height of the Leenane movement, right. So there was a lot of content around the mom juggle, and the mom hustle and the girl boss. And there was this big void of women making conscious choices to make room for family life and validating that as a powerful choice as part of a larger career journey.
Neha Ruch 5:28
So I launched in 2017, really, as interviews and profiles, to shine a light on this other version of ambition. But like I said, it was a lot of planting the seeds and going at the pace I could while I was really fully at home with my kids, and every year was a new thing. 2018 I was like, I'm gonna ramp up. And then my daughter was, you know, my second one came along, and then 2019, I was like, now I'm ready. And then the pandemic came in, and it was 2021, where I felt like, ah, the moment is now the world is waking up to reexamining work, and my children are transitioning back into more school, and I feel ready. And that's when I started dialing it up by way of both Instagram as well as the site resources and investing more heavily, both time and resources into building it out.
Stephanie Kruse 6:16
Yeah, and it sounds like somewhere in there in terms of I want to talk a little bit about the narrative, right? So you had experienced different narratives, right? The pushback against staying home for full time caregiving, but also a new narrative around this gray area. What did you grow up with in terms of telling yourself or or setting an expectation for where you thought what you thought career meant to you?
Neha Ruch 6:46
You know, I'm so glad you asked that, because I actually think the two things were at odds with each other. As I was growing up. My mother was fully at home for about 10 years, but she was volunteering. She was, you know, she was the school librarian. She was the school ESL teacher, my father, to his credit, always made her very empowered part of the family. So I never understood never questioned this concept of financial dependence, I really thought of them as a team. He was building tech companies, and she was really an integral part of that with him. And so that was what was modeled at home, which was a very empowered experience, she transitioned back to work in data, marketing, part time, when I was 11. I actually remember picking up the cordless phone and hearing her on her interview and being like, wait a second, what's about to change in my life, you know, and I remember that, her excitement about you're ready, and I'm ready. And so it all felt very fluid, and interesting and empowered. And then in my own journey, you know, I felt like I had something to prove in my 20s. And I really, I stepped into the world of advertising, I got very lucky because I sort of I started at the onset of social media. And so if you're lucky enough to hit it, right, in terms of timing, and you sort of pick your niche, you can accelerate quickly. And I was always, you know, I was the youngest person in the room, I was very excited by the fact that I was crossing titles and salary thresholds. And that felt like ambition to me, getting into Stanford was, you know, this outward marker of success. That was very exciting to me. And then, when I had my son, it was very much about what what does inward success look like, right? Because I can be the director at such and such a company, and you know, that, that may feel rewarded and dignified for many people. But if I'm feeling anxious, and I'm losing sleep at night, and I'm not present to this experience that I really want to enjoy, what will that feel like? And that was the first consideration of what's it like to create your own metrics of success for yourself? own metrics of ambition. And so that really came to me in the middle of the night, you know, doing feedings and saying, I really feel good rocking with a child. And so what will it mean to walk away from title and salary? To do this?
Stephanie Kruse 9:17
Yeah, so really, what, what next story, could you create for yourself? Mm hmm. Because you had the experience of a very empowered partnership in your parents. yet. I imagine when you looked around, were there any roadmaps there? Or was there's just a big question mark as to what it was going to look like?
Neha Ruch 9:42
I think the question marks came from other people. And the roadmap had to come from myself in that period of time. And I think that that was what I wanted to build the community for, which was to impart this idea of self trust. Because I do think self trust, like a lot of people say trust the process, and I would So you can only trust the process if you trust yourself. And I think one of the big distinguishing features between our generation of women and generations of mothers before us is oftentimes we were having children later. And you've, you've built a degree of career accomplishment beforehand, where, you know, we're educated at rates that are that far exceed men at this point, right. So we, you know, we really have a foundational amount of experience to draw from that our, you know, 1960s 1950s counterparts in motherhood did not have. And so our ability to tell our story, own our story, really considered this shift, not as a career ender, but really a shift is novel. And it's new, and there weren't roadmaps for it. Because the generations prior didn't have that they really did have a claim to the ladder, because otherwise you lose your place. And ours was the first generation that could rethink that. And I think being able to draw on a wealth of self trust cultivated by my career experience was a gift in that moment, because I think the outward questions were really, really, were really challenging and disruptive, right? Because they really force you to reconcile, well, if I'm going to be perceived as not ambitious for making this choice. How's that going to feel? And so it really, that experience really did challenge me early on, to connect to personal growth and say, maybe life isn't about trying to be understood by other people. And maybe I have to let go, maybe I get real peace, by letting go of the desire to be understood and really listening in to like, what makes sense for me and my family right now? And what do I believe is possible?
Stephanie Kruse 11:46
Yeah, I mean, it sounds, it sounds really healthy and self aware. At the same time, I'm sure while you were going through it, it wasn't so linear. What kind of identities did you have to wrestle with, or bumped up against that you found challenging as you kind of started to develop this roadmap for yourself?
Neha Ruch 12:12
I think the first was when you leave the cocoon, right? I keep going back to this like rocking chair moment, but you don't just sit in a rocking chair for the entirety of motherhood, right? Remember, we were in you were at a clubhouse concept in New York, where we used to spend our Saturday mornings, because they used to do family, you know, Pool time, that was one of the few places you could sort of escape the heat of the summer. And I met you know, a lot of incredible friends there. But one of those mornings, there was a family and I you know, the dads took their took our than babies into the pool leaving myself and the other woman and she was this vision of you know, everything that represented the creative, go getter. In advertising, I couldn't, you know, you could sort of tell a story about who she was without even asking, what do you do? Except then she asked me, What do I do? And it was the first time I was asked, What do I do in with the absence of this sort of pithy title? Right. And it's not like I used to say, I'm a brand director at so and so. But I used to say, I run brand out of startup. In five words, I was able to so quickly convey, I'm in a leadership position, I am creative. I'm on top of technology, right? Like when we have these identities as part of organizations and associations. Whether you say I work in Finance, or I work in law, you're conveying really quick nuggets, I work in sales, right? Like people take away something about who you are. And in the absence of having that you've, you're sort of left trying to explain who you are, in five words or less, and I did not, I had no five words or less, I think I word vomited on that woman, until we're suddenly there again, and I'd run out of time. And suddenly I'd lost this opportunity. And you can you better believe I spent the better part of two weeks over analyzing my answer. And now of course, we've written you know, I've written a guide to answering that with confidence. But it took me having to go through that maybe 25 times to practice, how do I answer this with the clarity and confidence, I feel, but there's no language. And I do believe that a lot of what we offer on the site is a language because with language, we're able to articulate our story. And as soon as we can articulate our own story, we convey confidence. But as soon as we don't convey confidence, that's what keeps us up at night. Right. Yeah. And so, you know, I think that question, what do you do is so much it's so embedded in a society that values what we do for work as who we are. What do you do is who are you which is really a backwards concept. And unfortunately it also part of this is that saying stay at home, I'm a stay at home mom, or I'm on a career break at that point did not convey anything that was respected or dignified or empowered. It's out of it came with these very traditional, almost anti feminist, right concepts. And so being able to say, No, I'm actually, I care a lot about my career. And I'm trusting this choice, because it feels right was, you know, that was a work in progress.
Stephanie Kruse 15:36
Yeah, and I think it's interesting, you mentioned how our generation compared to some of the women that came before us, many of us have an education, a career already, before we had our kids. And somehow, this schism happens, when so many of us become mothers, that we have to pick kind of one or the other. And we forget almost, that we actually built a whole persona and a person and an identity that can be confident going into this next phase, right? Like, why can't we weave this together? Does it have to be one or the other?
Neha Ruch 16:20
Yes, this black and white concept is, you know, I mean, that's a lot of the work is dismantling the black and white. And I think we talked a little bit about the difference between our generation as well as in the generations that came before us. And I think what, you know, what happened is that we've done a lot of work as culture to elevate women in the workplace, which is fantastic. But what we did is we left the stay at home mother, quote, unquote, back in the 1950s, with apron strings, right. Whereas we talked a bit about the education and work experience, which is radically different. We have discounted then the evolution of technology, which allows women to stay connected to work in a way whether that be remote work, whether that be flexible work, whether that be consulting, whether that be writing and creative work, whether that be ongoing lessons and education, right? Suddenly, women are not cut off or shut in, they're able to stay connected to ongoing learning and creative opportunity and work opportunity in a flexible format. Our relationships with our partners have grown in such a way that it is much more equitable households, right? We're we're looking at a relationship dynamics that have transformed just in the last three years, thankfully to the pandemic, but then you've Brodsky's work, there's been a light shined on how do we create more equitable households. So there's all these dynamics evolving, that set up today's parent to make choices with less penalty in the home and in our own current career in personal growth. We just need to as a culture catch up to that, so that he or she can navigate that dynamic with less penalty, then when they return to the workforce.
Stephanie Kruse 18:12
Yeah, well said, I do think there is sort of a catch up that needs to happen. And you know, it's it's a large ship, it takes a while to turn and re re navigate. And I think you know, what you also bring up is, how do we maybe redefine what ambition looks like. When you have talked with you know, or either talk to in your interviews with women or heard conversations in the community that you've built? Where do people get caught up in what ambition looks like? And how do they overcome that? If they're stuck?
Neha Ruch 18:53
You know, ambition, like success, right, has been equated for so long in these very powerful images of women or men right in the workforce immediate perpetuates, perpetuated sort of one note of what that looks like. And it is usually flashing glass ceilings, which by the way, when you see like actually say that phrase sounds so painful. totally right. But like there's been one caricature. And now what we need and I think what we're all yearning for, are new models of that and diverse models of that and nonlinear models of that. And I think a big part of ambition and success is defining it for yourself in your own seasons by aligning it to your values. And I think that has to start with getting clear on what do I need or want for myself and my family right now. And you're then allowed to come back to it season over Season One Whether that's in any given year, what does ambition look for me, right now, it's defining that for yourself, as well as your metrics for success for this season, reevaluate it next season. And I think a big part of that is surrounding yourself with women or men who represent that fluid journey and that nonlinear journey so that you can derive trust you I think self trust is a great concept, you derive that trust by surrounding yourself with models and conversations that allow you to be able to see that if I choose to focus on family life right now. Or if I choose to move at a slower pace right now, with my work, I'm not losing out on future potential in six months, nine months, six years, right, like being able to surround ourselves in community that celebrates the nonlinear metrics, I think, is where media is a great opportunity to start to reset some of the unhealthy static views we've had for a while.
Stephanie Kruse 21:03
Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, there's that. And then there's also this idea about, you know, how do I look at my results? You know, should we be results focused, and people do that with parenting as much as we do with our careers? So, you know, what college? Is my child going to get into? How well are they going to, you know, are they going to be the lead on the lacrosse or the football team, right, or, you know, the best swimmer, as well as career right? Money title? So how do you help people redefine that?
Neha Ruch 21:40
I think one of the realities of ambitious women who choose to pause is then they reallocate their energy on the homefront, right. And so now they derive huge amounts of purpose and worth from being a quote unquote, supermom with against all of these ideals. And they measure that by their children's success. And if anyone has parented, we know that children don't operate on a linear path, right? attaching yourself to your child's metrics and behavior as a metric of your success is just a recipe for failure for you and is a recipe for, you know, obviously a hard relationship with the child. So being able to go in and establish realistic goals for yourself, knowing and being able to approach this time not as, like we've talked about as a career ender, or personal growth and are, but really going in and saying, What does this chapter offer me in room to explore creatively, personally, whether that be, you know, goals around self development around patience, right now, that's something measurable that you can say, on a personal level, I finally have room in my, you know, in my family life to focus attention on this. So I'm going to establish, you know, three months, six months, nine months. So I think being able to walk into this stage of life, knowing that and being open to the opportunity to grow beyond as a parent, is the big reframe, that benefits women in this stage of life, because then you can shift your focus away from saying, a clean house is the metric for success, or perfectly curated meals are a metric for success. And you can say, what are really tangible goals for myself personally, that I can architect this time around, because we all need goals, we need an ability to work towards something, and to know that this stage of life is offering us personally something and it you know, it can be your nor your Northstar for this period of time. And so I think being able to walk into any, whether it's on a quarterly basis or an annual basis and say, these are our family goals, these are our personal goals. And allow that to be something that you can measure for yourself, gives you a way in which to derive value outside of outside of the parenting ideals that I think otherwise keep you up at night and feel way too stressful, and
Stephanie Kruse 24:14
And not only unachievable, but unrealistic for having any kind of sense of you know, self progress, right? If it's all about what it looks like on the outside and not what it feels like on the inside. The superficiality of that ultimately rings so hollow over time, even if you kind of perform it for a while and it seems good, you know, that's just untenable ultimatey.
Neha Ruch 24:42
Now I should add, if cooking three course meals is something that gives you personally value and interest in say you're saying you know what, this is a time in my life. I'm going to explore nutrition, or I want to explore creativity through food than fabulous cheese. Choosing that that is something that you want to focus on, feeds your sense of routine, it feeds your sense of accomplishment. But assuming that because you're choosing to stay at home for a period of time are choosing to pause means that you now have to meet an ideal. That includes those as your metrics of success in this stage of life. That is the nuance that can often lead women to feeling like they're not enough. This stage of life has to just be about, I'm choosing to shift focus, because I value, you know, being present, I value, I'm no longer getting fulfillment in the workforce on going to try and seek out fulfillment in these other areas that like me up and light our family up.
Stephanie Kruse 25:44
Yeah, and I think it's very much giving agency by framing it in that way, where it is an empowered choice. At the same time, there are also I think, examples, and I'm sure you've heard this in your own personal circles, as well as professionally, where sometimes it doesn't feel like it was a choice, it just feels like this is where you landed. Mm hmm. Whether because you know, maybe your partner, you know, required you guys to move or they got a promotion, or you were equals when you got married. And when one of you, you know, just started earning a lot more income. And it made sense, right, where it's sort of, yeah, it's a choice. But it's not the, I have decided to make this opt out moment for now. And here's how I'm going to empower myself to move through it. What do we do, then?
Neha Ruch 26:38
You know, a lot of it is also comes back to the same reframe that is helpful for those who had the privilege to choose, which is, this is for right now. I think, so often we get caught up in this idea that whatever choice we're making, or whatever situation we're in is forever, and permanent. And I highly encourage women for whom it was a joint family decision for them to pause. But it was not their ideal to set time markers for themselves with their partner to come back and re examine the decision. And if it's still working for them and their family. And they have to be included as part of that. Right? Is it still working for them emotionally? Are they seeking out more childcare to be able to transition back to work? How do they then as a family budget for that, you know, so often women will say, I am not, I cannot have help, because I this is my work. And the reality is, no one should be expected to do 24/7 work, right? Everyone deserves support. And so help as a concept, whether that be paid help, or unpaid help from family is an investment in the whole family system. So being able to grant themselves that to figure out okay, how do I transition back to a little bit of room for myself, or a little bit of room for my paid work out of the home? Knowing that they're able to come back to that conversation over and over again, with their partner, as opposed to this is a forever decision can be really freeing and then deciding, okay, if I'm going to embrace what is for right now, how do I set up routines and rhythms that allow this to be useful, allow myself the room to be able to nurture and grow myself, I think, then it becomes about how do I set up this chapter so that I can thrive. And that is allowing themselves permission to invest in whether that be help, whether that be, you know, blocks of time where their child plays independently, allowing themselves the time to structure the space, that it also serves them alongside their family is really important.
Stephanie Kruse 28:58
Yeah, you have to invest in you. And if not, other priorities, other people are going to get in the way. And I can say, you know, from somebody who is a couple, a couple years down the road from you in terms of kids being in teen years, looking at maybe the next chapter of you know, not having kids home full time, you know, you don't want to reach that phase feeling resentful, that you've given something up that you had no intention of giving, and then looking at your relationship differently, what you know, with your partner, or what involvement you're going to have with your kids that may not allow them to be independent, which is the whole point, you know, raising them to be adults. So I think that's such a healthy way to kind of incrementally understand where you are, I mean, heck, we're evaluating everything else, how long we can afford to live in the house we're in, you know, which which schools or kids are going to attend how you know, we're doing that anyway, just add this one to the list.
Neha Ruch 30:00
Mm hmm. And add What can I do? In the meantime, to keep myself feeling connected, right, it might not look exactly like it did before, you're not going into an office from nine to five, or whatever your construct in relationship to work look like before, but maybe it's volunteering in the school system. Maybe it's helping a friend on your small business, maybe taking a more active role in coaching your partner through his or her business, you know, finding these incremental ways to stay connected to the workforce. If that is your choice, and your desire, allows you to keep a hand in the game such that that transition back when and if you feel ready, is more viable. And smoother.
Stephanie Kruse 30:49
Yeah, yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up. I think that's really key. And so before we kind of get to the last question, and I could like talk about this with you all day long, you are writing a book about this. So tell me what the next evolution of Mother entitled is with respect to this next project.
Neha Ruch 31:11
You know, I think the book is a physical way to guide women in a landscape that often tells them we talked this to this before, but to climb to the ladder, right. So for the women, feeling like they are ready to reexamine ambition, this is a physical way for them to walk through the journey in the book sort of follows that journey of, you know, helping them navigate the identity blocks and the financial conversations with more clarity and then transition into actually settling into the day to day in a way that does remember that they are part of the day to day, and to make sure that they are taking themselves into account in setting up this stage of life. And then finally to transition back to work of meaning when and if they're ready, with a sense of confidence. And you know, the book, I think, allows us to say to the world, this an important conversation, and one that needs to get the attention it deserves. Because if we are going to elevate men and women in the workforce, we have to restart rethinking that career pauses and career breaks are a viable part of evolving and powerful career journeys. And so it sort of is twofold. It's both a physical guide and a very tangible call to action to culture.
Stephanie Kruse 32:44
What a great opportunity for you, I'm so excited that you're able to do this. You're welcome. So the last question that I ask all my guests, and I think I mean, we've already talked about all this. So I'm so curious to see what you're going to say next is when you think about the phrase good enough for now, what does that mean to you?
Neha Ruch 33:06
Embracing what's for right now. Accepting what's not for right now, and trusting that it's a long game. And I think as parents, that can mean whether you choose to work out of the home or in the home, there are seasons that are thoughtful pauses, and there are seasons that are interval sprints that call us to be more or less present for our work for our families for our health. And we are choosing at any time what to focus on what to let go of and knowing that there is more time to constantly reevaluate and recalibrate.
Stephanie Kruse 33:46
I love that. Thank you for that. Neha, This has been such a fabulous conversation. Where can people learn more about the work that you're doing? Sign up to preorder your book when it's time I'm sure it's like a year from now. But these things take forever.
Neha Ruch 34:04
So, follow Mother Untitled for we talked a lot about language for a lot more of that language around reframing the stage of life, you can come to motheruntitled.com for articles weekly, to help you do things like negotiate your worth, when you're transitioning back or set up the day to day for more pockets of time for creativity. We have a mentor board and a flex jobs for to help guide you through this transition. And then you can obviously stay in touch there for news about the book when it finally is available.
Stephanie Kruse 34:36
Thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure.
Neha Ruch 34:38
Likewise, Stephanie. Thank you for having me.
Stephanie Kruse 34:41
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